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Tue Mar 13, 2018, 12:27 PM
Video-cover by dtab428Get an inside look at Guillermo del Toro’s trademark artistic style in his latest film, The Shape of Water. Experience the creative journey from design to production of its charming and unconventional amphibian love interest. Hear from del Toro himself, actor Doug Jones, and the design team on the labor of love that brought “The Asset” to life.
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Stories of unconventional love have existed for millennia and have gained new momentum thanks to Guillermo del Toro’s The Shape of Water.

The film, which explores the bond between Amphibian Man and Elisa Esposito, shows that love can bloom no matter how unlikely the pair or the obstacles that may stand in their way. The secret to understanding how Amphibian Man captured Elisa’s heart, and by extension ours, is taking a look behind-the-scenes into his creation.

From the very beginning, this film was born from long-standing fascinations and affections. It all started as an idea by writer Daniel Kraus (Guillermo del Toro’s writing partner for the children’s book series Trollhunters) who’d come up with a story in high school about a cleaning woman at a government facility befriending a creature and deciding to set it free. It immediately captured del Toro’s attention thanks primarily to his childhood (turned lifelong) fondness for the Creature from the Black Lagoon and desire to tell a version of the Beauty and The Beast tale without the Beast transforming into a human. This was in 2011 and film development began shortly after. Working on the book and script simultaneously while filming Pacific Rim, in 2014 del Toro hired a crew of artists to begin designing what would become Amphibian Man and the lab (a central location of the film). In early 2015, del Toro and Fox Searchlight hired Vanessa Taylor as a co-writer to perfect the script.

Take a look behind the scenes at how Guillermo Del Toro brought a story of
unconventional love to life in The Shape of Water.
(Content Courtesy of Fox Searchlight)

Non-verbal communication and connection is an extremely important aspect of the story as a woman who speaks primarily using American Sign Language (ASL) falls in love with a creature who’s never had to speak. That meant Amphibian Man must be expressive, realistic, and, well, beautiful. Del Toro was so committed to the process, he paid the creative team using his own money and used his Bleak House workshop as homebase. “I knew it was going to take a long time, so I didn’t even put it in the film’s budget,” del Toro said. “This is truly the hardest creature design I’ve ever done.”

To effectively create something that looked like it plausibly emerged from the depths of the Amazon, studying nature was extremely important to the process. Del Toro and sculptor extraordinaire Mike Hill (whose credits include The Wolfman, Apocalypto, and Men In Black 3) worked very closely together and looked at hundreds of fish for inspirations. For example, the way Amphibian Man eats is based on tropical lionfish and they were inspired by several species to add bioluminescence to his coloring. “People with aquariums are often attracted to glowing, see-through fish so we wanted to echo that idea,” Hill explained. “Later, Legacy [Effects] came up with a way to recreate that idea in an opaque suit that looks fantastic.”

The harder part was creating the alluring “man” half of the fish-man. “[Del Toro] said he wanted me to give the creature a soul,” Hill revealed. “He wanted it to be something a woman could fall head over heels for in every way.“[Del Toro] said he wanted me
to give the creature a soul...”
So I started sketching a handsome looking version of a fish-man, giving him kissable lips, a square jaw and doe eyes, and I went from there.” So they worked and worked, modeling clay day and night, until they got it right. Del Toro even took the designs home to get the opinions of the female members of his family, from shoulder width to hindquarters. Their dedication and passion finally paid off when they completed their striking first design stage.

With the maquettes and clay designs finished, the next challenge was to turn it into functional suits that someone could wear and effectively move in. This is where Legacy Effects’ expertise comes in. They converted the maquettes into digital images that were further developed and detailed while building Amphibian Man’s facial elements, as being expressive was just as important as having abs. Shane Mahan (Legacy’s award-winning Creature Designer and Visual Effects Supervisor with credits that include Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and Pacific Rim) said, “One of the early conversations was that Guillermo wanted the eyes to be changeable on set in order to change the mood or look of the creature. Since you can’t take Doug [Jones]’ makeup off to change them, we ended up coming up with a magnetic system to interlock the eyes. It was the only solution. Once we were shooting, we would change the eyes four or five times a night.”

“He has a love for our craft that is infectious,” said Mahan. “He would meet with us anytime, late on a Friday night or on a Sunday, and he was involved at every turn.”

Every detail was important, considered, and rigorously tested, down to his gills which added another way for Amphibian Man to express himself. And del Toro was there every step of the way. “He has a love for our craft that is infectious,” said Mahan. “He would meet with us anytime, late on a Friday night or on a Sunday, and he was involved at every turn. It’s very rare that you find that kind of interest in being so super refined and, for us, that kind of obsession is inspiring. You end up wanting to invest more and more into making it as great as it can possibly be.”

The Shape of Water: Behind the Scenes (Content Courtesy of Fox Searchlight)

With four beautiful, fully functioning latex/silicone suits perfected and ready to shoot, there was never a doubt in del Toro’s mind who would play the creature and truly bring him to life. Doug Jones has been in many of his films, playing what he calls “some of the most crucial roles” in them - a collaboration that has stretched back twenty years. Indeed, many people have depended on Jones’ uncanny abilities with roles that include Billy Butcherson in Hocus Pocus, one of the Gentlemen on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Cochise on Falling Skies, and Saru on Star Trek: Discovery.

“If you don’t have an actor inside the creature’s suit, you don’t have a movie – and Doug is not a performer, he’s an actor,” del Toro said. “I think of such moments as when he enters the movie theater and you realize the creature has never seen a movie before. Those are actor moments. I also remember before Richard Jenkins [who plays Elisa’s artistic friend, Giles] did the bathroom scene where he is getting to know the creature, Richard was worried he would be acting with a monster suit. Afterwards, Richard came to me and said, ‘The moment you said action, I was in front of an ancient water god.’ He felt all the pain and the confusion of the creature in Doug.”

The suits were constructed beautifully but they did present many challenges, like occasionally not being able to see beyond the prosthetic eyes in a scene and needing four people to get Jones into the suit. As tight as they were, they were constructed with corsets to ensure they were skin-tight but had segments in the abdomen that still allowed fluid movement. Because it was designed to reshape no matter what movement or action Jones performed, he described acting in it as “an intense workout. Every movement is like doing a pushup or a pull-up.”

“I feel the creature is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen...”But the years of design work and two to four hours in the makeup chair everyday absolutely paid off.  “I feel the creature is one of the most beautiful things I’ve ever seen,” said Sally Hawkins who plays Elisa. “I had to be reacting to someone who feels alluring to Elisa and, because of their work, that came naturally. I didn’t see Doug at all; I saw this incredible, mysterious specimen. Others might see a monster but Elisa sees something else entirely and that comes across.”

“It was so beautiful and touching, I didn’t realize I would have the type of response I did,” Spencer said. “I just started sobbing watching it.”

Everyone who worked on the film seemed to fall under his spell, even Academy Award winner Octavia Spencer who plays Zelda, fellow cleaning woman and friend of Elisa. Purposefully avoiding looking at and designs or photos prior to her character’s first interaction with him, it had a profound affect the first time she saw footage of him interacting with Elisa. “It was so beautiful and touching, I didn’t realize I would have the type of response I did,” Spencer said. “I just started sobbing watching it.”

The marriage of an intense, involved design process and actors flawlessly performing and connecting with each other created a magical atmosphere that you can feel in every frame. “I would get so lost in watching Sally that I’d forget what I was doing,” Jones admitted. “There’s something so real, so raw about Sally, I just fell for her, much as the creature does.”

“Water takes the shape of whatever is holding it at the time and although water can be so gentle, it's also the most powerful and malleable force in the universe,” said del Toro. “That's also love, isn't it? It doesn’t matter what shape we put love into, it becomes that, whether it’s man, woman or creature.”

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  • How would you design the Amphibian Man?
  • What kind of creature would you design if you were creating your own unconventional love story?
  • Tell us your Unconventional Love Story.




Get an inside look at Guillermo del Toro’s latest film, The Shape of Water, through the design and production of its charming and unconventional amphibian love interest.
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MagicLaDyCharm Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2018  Professional Digital Artist
Very emotional but too boring to my taste.. too dramatic.. 
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Gemscale Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I saw this movie,it was really beautiful.
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mai-sakurachan Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  Student Artist
I love this movie, It's great from the story to the characters, to the music, to the color palate.
1. Amphibian lover is always the theme of my art because i like the Unconventional love between human and inhuman, especially Dragon. I think this might be counted in Amphibian, too. 

2. Dragon is always my favorite, and I love making story happening between human and Dragon. It's not only about romance.

3. Once upon a time, when Dragons and human are still two sides on a battle field, there is a country whose guardian is a Dragon. The enemies are feared of one giant white dragon, so no one dare to invade the country. He is a sky dragon who can easily fly onto high sky with one jump. Unlike other dragons, all the dragon wants is his own peace, and he does not like bloodshed battle. He spend his time surrounding the mountain next to the castle where a princess lives. The princess is the one being attracted in the first time. She loves his beautiful
 snake-like body that has shining white scales, his huge white wings. She walked into the mountain by her own to be friend with him, and certainly he strangely doesn't be bothered by that. The more they connect, the more they get attracted to each other. She love his calm personalities despite of his fearful appearance. He love her surrounding with her out-going personalities, and he always looks forward to her visit. They want to be together, and that love is uncommon to human world. "The princess is the sacrifice to the dragon" said people. There is even a group disagree connecting to Dragon race.  the more love grows between the two, the more fear to the country. Every Dragon has a huge jewelry-like heart inside body, the heart contain magic of life. A daughter is born from a piece of the Sky Dragon heart, and blood of the human princess. The half Dragon half human daughter will carry her mother will that is unite the two races, Dragon and human.
Wow, once it's about stories, I talked a lot.
Dragon Bullet - Blue Dragon Bullet - White Dragon Bullet - Blue Dragon Bullet - White Dragon Bullet - Blue Dragon Bullet - White Dragon Bullet - Blue Dragon Bullet - White Dragon Bullet - Blue  
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Extrawolfe Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yup going to see this 
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SudrianRailwayStudio Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Is It sad or happy?
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Activoid Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2018  Professional Filmographer
Yes.
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SudrianRailwayStudio Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2018  Student Digital Artist
Thanks.
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undertaleskeletonofn Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2018  Student Artist
amazing? sad? TLDR
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Belicure Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2018
Remember when he was gonna do Silent Hills? 

4 years later and I'm still butthurt
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pantocratormaster Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2018
Great!
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smartassconnie Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
1. I would keep the design, but I would have added more fluorescence on the body only because I LOVE glow in the dark things.

2. I it sounds cliche but for a few years I've imagining a half baked idea of the history of angels and demons and the "real" (my own Imagination) reason why they hate one another.

3. In the story it depicts before ( first name:Satan Last name:Lucifer) was banished from heaven. He was the commander of the angel warriors and he was in relationship with the head leader of record keeping (goes down to earth, observes humans and records what they do.) I don't have a name for her yet so I just call her "S". Then one of Satan's subordinate (Michael) start to undermined Satan's philosophy saying that humans are just lower life forms and that they should be treated as such and starts to gather others who think the same way as him and grows an army. Soon all out war breaks out among the angels and Satan lose the war is banished from heaven. Michael rips off Satan's wings, burns the "Fallen" mark on him, chains him up and throws him and his allies out of heaven into a volcano. Like the old saying goes " The winners write the history" Michael made it look like Satan was the bad guy and was dealt with. Being in a relationship with Satan, "S" was no longer welcomed or trusted with the other angels, Michael made sure of that, and was forced to resign her job. Before she resigned, she went to earth to look for Satan to help him and was able to find him, and in secret takes holy food and medicine to Satan and his allies. Then Michael caches her in the act of trying to retrieve Satan's wings back and does a public punishment in-front of the angles and god. Michael rips off her left wing, burns the "Fallen" mark on her and forces her to live with the humans for eternity. But at the end of it all "S" and Satan was able to be together again, even though they were branded as traitors and have been recalled as Demons.

I know it sounds 
cliche, but I think it's cool putting my own spin on the angles and demons thing.
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joygirl17 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 27, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
At first I was resistance against your story idea because it included demons, but your idea actually makes sense and sounds really cool because as the story goes, Satan and other demons were previously angels that were cast out of heaven. It would be interesting to see a movie that tackles the "real" story between demons and angels. that's an idea that no one has really touched on before and it might make you question what is truly good or bad. 

Nice idea, I don't think it sounds cliche at all.
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smartassconnie Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you for the nice reply! I was really nervous about posting my idea.☺ I'm writing another story on wattpad,but by the number of the views it's not good.😥 when I have extra time I always try to improve on it. Again thank you so much with the reply.
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joygirl17 Featured By Owner Apr 3, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
No problem. I'll definitely check out your story on wattpad. 
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GordonWildhurst Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2018
Yut
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Art76Studio Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2018  Professional Traditional Artist
Very good! Thank you GO!
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EmeraldKeefe Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018
This was a cool Feature. Not usually my Interest though, but I hope others will find this nice. Take care of yourselves!
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Smallandsilent Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
to answer three questions. 

1. designing an amphibian man I would love to take a komodo dragon for example and toy with other sea creatures along the lines as well as a more human anthro like body style. Like in the movie a little bit. If it doesn't have to be an amphibian man I'd look for what inspires me at the moment. Like right now wolves and cats are my first option. I'd mix them together into one figure and turn it into a sly character or something like that. 

2. The type of character? I'm working on something now between angels and demons. My creatures pretty much excists out of a demon that is a bag of fluid walking around being rather dangerous and a seraphim type warrior angel holding a few soul weapons against the demons. 

3. The love story Always starts with a problem like the angel demon one is a bit like Romeo and Julliette. Tragic that two so different beings fall for eachother while both worlds try to destroy the other. I make a few twists in it. There'll be some story before the story and story behind the story stuff. Kinda like a series. What happened before how came my char to life? And how will it go on after the ending? I won't say too much otherwise I'd spoil it. 

I really love the shape of water cause it attracts me. The guy falling for me has to be a monster considering I would rather have a funny intelligent person rather than an idiot that only thinks as far as his nose reaches which happens to be a majority these days. ;-;
My bf isn't really a monster or anything. He's just a chubby friendly bear like guy that wants to protect the world. He's smart, funny and knows what he does (most of the time) and when he makes a mistake he's man enough to admit it. Couldn't love anyone more in the world. 
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PresidentOso Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Filmographer
Every shot of Shape Of Water is a beautiful piece of art!  I love this special feature:)
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fempharaoh3000 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018
...I actually have my own Unconventional Love Story, but it might be easier to write a novel about it rather than explain it to someone or even here in the comments. What I do know is that he is my Twin Flame, and we've been promised an eternity in Heaven together... I'm not sure what to name the story, but I might work on a manuscript soon. #TheShapeOfWater #MyShapeOfWater #GuillermoSempaiPleaseNoticeMe
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Shio-bookmark Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018
1. Maybe with more fins and flowing movement, like those tropical fish have. But it would look absurd out of water with it flopping into his eyes all the time and I can't imagine it would make sense for an amphibian. Give him a tail like a mermaid. Or a shedding skin like a selkie.

2. Probably something with feathers or furs. Think Howl's monster form from the Howl's Moving Castle movie. Horns that are curly and mismatched and can be decorated with metal or jewellery. Big teeth. I'd think about the environment he belongs in.

3. A lady knight and a dragon. The lady is the King Under the Mountain and will have to sleep again and again for centuries in between the times she is needed. But she meets a dragon in our time who agrees to sleep beside her so she won't wake up alone. Dragons sleep for thousands of years just for an afternoon nap, so it's no trouble. The dragon is female and can't shift into a human. Always sort of disappointed when that happens.
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Morphicelus Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Man I cried so hard. It was beautiful.

1.) I think they set a perfect balance. I'm just one person, and they had a team, so I doubt I could do any better.
2.) I'm not really that in to writing romance. I'd probably have to think long and hard on that one. But I think I wrote some vampire romance when I was a teenager (like, 15 years ago)
3.) Well I married my high school sweetheart so I don't have one of those, and as I said I don't write romance. But I do enjoy this kind!
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Angelotti37 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
  • How would you design the Amphibian Man?
I wouldn't change anything, to be honest. The design was perfect.
  • What kind of creature would you design if you were creating your own unconventional love story?
A mythological creature, like a centaur.
  • Tell us your Unconventional Love Story
A young, lonely woman forms unlikely yet strong bond with an upiór she saved before.
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zakuro5 Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
the cgi and the creature's design are awesome and indredibly impressive but like. he doesn't have any personality?? it was so unbelievable to me that anyone would fall for the fishman because i really didn't see Anything to like in him on a personal level
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PresidentOso Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2018  Hobbyist Filmographer
That's true, I also thought the same thing. Beautiful film but I didn't care too much for the creature. 
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RadicalBroseph Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
  • How would you design the Amphibian Man? He is beautiful, so nothing
  • What kind of creature would you design if you were creating your own unconventional love story? Based on mythical creatures or urban legends. Yeah, a horror love story would work pretty well.
  • Tell us your Unconventional Love Story. Ha, funny.
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producer-7 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018
I have a question. How did such an atrocious film win so many awards?
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TaintedTruffle Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
  • How would you design the Amphibian Man? like this  Eridan sprite edit by Candlepen
  • What kind of creature would you design if you were creating your own unconventional love story?  Nomosaurusrex by TaintedTruffle
  • Tell us your Unconventional Love Story. once upon a time a dinosaur loved some one so much he ate them the end 
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PlnetFawn Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
:D
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resMENSA Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018   General Artist
:)
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ChicaPinguino Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018
Beautiful movie =)
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Darlyn2243 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
Absolutely beautiful
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DjGodary Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Professional General Artist
When a cgi is done right. Even tho not much interested into the story. Will watch it in 10 years or so to see how the cgi holds up.
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wazupdudes123 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018
This movie was garbage lol.
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ShieldMaiden83 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I loved the movie and I am looking forward to get my hands on a special edition blue ray. Yeah I am old school and it deserves a place amongst my dvd collection.
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moon-coyote Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I really loved this movie but to be honest the bestiality part made me uncomfortable.
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Sheka4 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Dude, the trailers literally told you what you were getting. Plus the fact that it had an adult rating to it.
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moon-coyote Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I didn't watch the trailers so no dude, I didn't know what I was getting.

I'm just saying that I didn't like the bestiality part. 
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Sheka4 Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Fair....I guess. But the movie was a little bit more than that and had a deeper, complex plot to it than "there's bestiality in this movie."
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talosthefakegod Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Student Digital Artist
When I originally watched it I honestly had no idea what I was getting into, like, i knew nothing, but it was everything i didn't expect and more, and I looove the bold move that was made and I'm glad people happen to love it 
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Miss-Phengophobia Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
Loved the film. It looked so out of this world, so different to what we're being thrown these days. 
  • How would you design the Amphibian Man?
I wouldn't change anything, to be honest. The design was perfect.
  • What kind of creature would you design if you were creating your own unconventional love story?
A mythological creature, like a centaur.
  • Tell us your Unconventional Love Story.
I wish I could :D
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Hipmlee257 Featured By Owner Edited Mar 20, 2018

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Sofwater by Hipmlee257
 i like love story between amphibian man n woman
Amphibian warrior (maybe his power only can survive in dee water not like aquaman who hav super power
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AmeliasGaming103 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Student Digital Artist
i really would love to watch this movie! this looks so romantic and the fact that the sea creature can show love is really amazing! its like the beauty and the beast! super excited! Daisy excited  
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crazzycat5 Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
  • How would you design the Amphibian Man?
I actually really appreciated the design and honestly wouldnt have anything to add myself. Since I dont do a lot of character design it would probably look awful hahahha
  • What kind of creature would you design if you were creating your own unconventional love story?
I always loved the story of love when uncontrollable change exsists (so werewolf forms or even looking at the Hulk)
  • Tell us your Unconventional Love Story.
I dont have one....



But now for my main reason for commenting.
I actually just watched this movie last night, and then happened to log on right before bed to see this...and BOY did it give me the perfect forum to rant.

I was SO incredibly disappointed with this movie. It was so disturbing...and honestly I couldnt stop getting beastiality vibes. All around visually it was a STUNNING movie, fantastic acting, and the script itself....could have been utterly perfect. But the point is...it wasnt. At the end of the movie I felt NO connection to their "love" story...NOTHING...This movie...made me feel nothing for their "relationship". The relationship is the foundation for the movie... I felt like I got absolutely NO character from the Amphibian Man....and more than man he was....dog like??? Which was extremely disturbing. I kept waiting to see an actual relationship...but honestly there never was anything. So she taught him a few signs...he appreciated music...this is nothing more than what researchers do with chimps. The beginning of the movie established that she lived a mundane, repetitive life...and that she was rather horny....(which btw im sure people will call me prude...but it was so unnecessary to include the multiple masturbation scenes...made me so uncomfortable...) I mean I was just so disappointed... There are a few scenes in the movie which solidify my feelings. The scene were the amphibian man eats the cat....HELL NO...if he did that to me I would give absolutley ZERO fucks about him...thats beyond messed up...and she even approaches him lovingly with all the blood on him...sick! But this scene is important because her best friend (the owner of the cat) says he cant be blamed because...duhduhduh HES A WILD ANIMAL. This is followed up with a scene were the amphibian man, asks for forgiveness??? or shows remorse??? by acting like...duh duh duh... A DOG. Its just friggen weird...and again to say the least I was super disappointed....URGH THAT CAT SCENE PISSED ME OFF SO MUCH!!!!
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Cuttlepluff Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2018
Yup. A thousand times yup. I'm sorry if your comment gets hate due to this site's issues with echo chamber mentality, cuz reading someone else felt the same way was a BREATH OF FRESH AIR! I can't get swept up in a fantasy when there is so much bizarrely realistic brutality giving me tonal whiplash. And Jilling off is no crime, but when I'm introduced to a character or anyone, I don't need to feel like I just walked in on my mom or sister jacking it like a jeep in the first five minutes. Let alone walking in on them twice. No wonder she did it with a fish and needed to discuss with the audience how big his dick was.

Guillermo del Toro lost my confidence in going to see everything he did because it guaranteed I'd be treated. To me, I was cheated. This work was his Shyamalan, and it's awful that I have to say it. Going back to Pan's Labyrinth and others, here. :(
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crazzycat5 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
THANK YOU. And I was prepared to get some disgruntled fans, so we shall see. Im all for the idea of this film but when the character acts more like an animal/dog/child IDK what...it starts to becoming disturbing. And she clearly was a little mentally...sad? I dont want to say depressed...but I mean she has some deeper issues...And to fall "deeply in love" with something (even someone) based on just small similarities of experience (ei they cant talk) okay big woop...my dog cant talk either. It just wasnt healthy. And yes to those first few scenes...you described it just in the right words. Thats what I felt. Yah over all I was just really disappointed with what was the foundation of this movie, the "relationship", and felt more grossed out/disturbed with her than anything at all. Had they actually given him character, personality, more than just seemigly the mindset of a dog or child, I would have been okay with this. I just needed to feel SOMETHING human about him other than his bodily similarities. After all what makes a good love story is thst you can understans why two people are in love, you can relate to those emotions. But im not attracted to animals...or behavior that is animal like...and I certainly require the ability to communicate more than just a few words with someone. IDK just creeped me out xD
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JohnSpartan1982 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018
Do you think Mass Effect worked better for xeno X human romance as they have human level intelligence and give consent?
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crazzycat5 Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Tbh I have no idea what Mass Effect is.
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Cuttlepluff Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018
I understood Wolf Children and Swamp Thing far better than this. I empathized with Kong when he grabbed Darrow and climbed the tower until the planes shot him down. Hell, Monster in Paris had a more sympathetic creature romance than this, and not a one of those and many others with this romance angle needed to shoehorn in messages as subtle as a bag of bricks to the skull or have the hero have fantasy sex to nail it home that differences are beautiful. Viewers could feel their intelligence mocked by the makers of this, yet most seem to be enthralled instead. It's a great film tho, cuz everyone's OC lead turned into a mermaid with their ideal fishman to swim off to paradise far from the Christian mania, racism, sexual prudishness, and general bigotry of the 1960's that this film so eloquently exposed is actually, surprise to everyone here, a bad thing! I know, right? Big shock that the truth is finally exposed by someone bold enough to cover the topic! [/sarcasm]

If Twilight had an amazing effects team and creature actors like this film, it'd still be Twilight, yet no one calls it here.

This did not do it right for me, and worse, it attempted to convince me duos like Kong and Darrow should have had sex amidst a graphically violent, religionist and racist backdrop. Thanks but no thanks. I'll be over here remembering the grand days where Pan's Labyrinth was seen as Guillermo's best film to date.
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crazzycat5 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
*applause*

Man on man I read your explanation of the "horrors" to which they juxstaposed this relationship, earlier, in order to normalize it. I was blown away and you articulated it perfectly. Ill be honest I actually didnt even catch on to that at first, and it didnt help me feel any better about what I was watching. I mean, Kong was so innocent, lets be real; Ann wasnt sexually attracted, she was like a mother to a child. Monster in Paris, again felt more like they drew the line where it needed to be (this is another example of where the monster...while human like...still acts animalish/childish...). But then you have this film and when you strip all the frills away, its a lonely woman, who is horney and feels attracted to an animal because shes got nothing else... At least when I strip Twilight away its just two idiots in love XD and I get that.

Ive been meaning to watch Pans Labyrinth for some time, should do it soon I guess!
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